From stevegt@TerraLuna.Org Fri Mar 16 01:24:57 2007 From: stevegt@TerraLuna.Org (Steve Traugott) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:24:57 -0700 Subject: [Infrastructures] #infrastructures irc channel Message-ID: <20070316012457.GA23285@terraluna.org> --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks, I've started an #infrastructures channel on irc.infrastructures.org. You should find me hanging out there from 1900-0700 UTC most days. Nothing fancy yet, no logging, no chanserv, no info bot. (If someone gets a chance to set up a logger that dumps its output to someplace Google will crawl, that would be great.) I've found that there just isn't any other decent place to bounce ideas off of people if you're in the middle of a project and need a second opinion on something before you write the next line of code -- #lopsa is closest, but lacks the mindset we share on this list. I've also found myself having more discussions with people by Jabber, IM or IRC lately anyway, rather than mail. (I won't say what this says about the future of e-mail, but I hope signed messages or DKIM become the norm sooner rather than later.) Hope to see you there, Steve --=20 Stephen G. Traugott (KG6HDQ) -- http://www.stevegt.com Managing Partner, TerraLuna LLC -- http://www.t7a.org Dir. Engineering, CD International Technology -- http://www.cdint.com --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFF+fHp8rKIxO1Fc9MRAvTSAJ0Tp0bVG2IyehkL/inDtmxVt4u6BgCgquBY u5UOaLqNdeYWfwPWr3iw0II= =pYE4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq-- From gtodd@bellanet.org Fri Mar 16 04:12:04 2007 From: gtodd@bellanet.org (Graham Todd) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:12:04 -0500 Subject: [Infrastructures] isconf on FreeBSD Message-ID: <45FA1914.8060304@bellanet.org> Anyone else up and running on FreeBSD in "production" environments? If so are there any informal ports/packages yet? There's nothing in ports I was thinking of making one as I continue my testing of the application. Cheers, -- Graham Todd - Bellanet@IDRC From stevegt@TerraLuna.Org Fri Mar 16 06:36:14 2007 From: stevegt@TerraLuna.Org (Steve Traugott) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:36:14 -0700 Subject: [Infrastructures] Re: #infrastructures irc channel In-Reply-To: <20070316012457.GA23285@terraluna.org> References: <20070316012457.GA23285@terraluna.org> Message-ID: <20070316063614.GB23285@terraluna.org> --uZ3hkaAS1mZxFaxD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hang on before setting up any web-accessible logging, everyone -- someone just now pointed out to me that there might be good reasons for not bothering with it, privacy of course, noise ratio of course, freedom of expression and so on. The counter-proposal was something like "log it for yourself; read up on old things you missed, and if you find something really juicy, discuss it in a blog entry or mail message". Enough to tip me barely over the line, at any rate. =20 Thoughts? Steve On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 06:24:57PM -0700, Steve Traugott wrote: > Hi Folks, >=20 > I've started an #infrastructures channel on irc.infrastructures.org. > You should find me hanging out there from 1900-0700 UTC most days. > Nothing fancy yet, no logging, no chanserv, no info bot. (If someone > gets a chance to set up a logger that dumps its output to someplace > Google will crawl, that would be great.) >=20 > I've found that there just isn't any other decent place to bounce > ideas off of people if you're in the middle of a project and need a > second opinion on something before you write the next line of code -- > #lopsa is closest, but lacks the mindset we share on this list. >=20 > I've also found myself having more discussions with people by Jabber, > IM or IRC lately anyway, rather than mail. (I won't say what this > says about the future of e-mail, but I hope signed messages or DKIM > become the norm sooner rather than later.) >=20 > Hope to see you there, >=20 > Steve > --=20 > Stephen G. Traugott (KG6HDQ) -- http://www.stevegt.com > Managing Partner, TerraLuna LLC -- http://www.t7a.org > Dir. Engineering, CD International Technology -- http://www.cdint.com --=20 Stephen G. Traugott (KG6HDQ) -- http://www.stevegt.com Managing Partner, TerraLuna LLC -- http://www.t7a.org V.P. Engineering, CD International Technology -- http://www.cdint.com --uZ3hkaAS1mZxFaxD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFF+jre8rKIxO1Fc9MRAq0JAJ9quePuQ4jVDY+9w4tmQ7ZJZNQrvgCgg+0L nUpVdpxUApNdC+3GbRdY3Ck= =BNhG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uZ3hkaAS1mZxFaxD-- From Devdas Bhagat Fri Mar 16 07:02:25 2007 From: Devdas Bhagat (Devdas Bhagat) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:32:25 +0530 Subject: [Infrastructures] #infrastructures irc channel In-Reply-To: <20070316012457.GA23285@terraluna.org> References: <20070316012457.GA23285@terraluna.org> Message-ID: <20070316070225.GC5619@dvb> On 15/03/07 18:24 -0700, Steve Traugott wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I've started an #infrastructures channel on irc.infrastructures.org. Any reason not to have it on Freenode instead of openirc? Devdas Bhagat -- EARTH smog | bricks AIR -- mud -- FIRE soda water | tequila WATER From Devdas Bhagat Fri Mar 16 09:27:11 2007 From: Devdas Bhagat (Devdas Bhagat) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:57:11 +0530 Subject: [Infrastructures] Re: #infrastructures irc channel In-Reply-To: <20070316063614.GB23285@terraluna.org> References: <20070316012457.GA23285@terraluna.org> <20070316063614.GB23285@terraluna.org> Message-ID: <20070316092711.GA17329@dvb> On 15/03/07 23:36 -0700, Steve Traugott wrote: > Hang on before setting up any web-accessible logging, everyone -- > someone just now pointed out to me that there might be good reasons > for not bothering with it, privacy of course, noise ratio of course, The important thing here would be to let people know that the channel talk is being publicly archived. If you don't want to do this, and you want to make the contents of a discussion public, asking the people involved in that discussion for permission to publish would be polite. Devdas Bhagat -- The discerning person is always at a disadvantage. From florian.heigl@gmail.com Fri Mar 16 12:32:11 2007 From: florian.heigl@gmail.com (Florian Heigl) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:32:11 +0100 Subject: [Infrastructures] Re: #infrastructures irc channel In-Reply-To: <20070316092711.GA17329@dvb> References: <20070316012457.GA23285@terraluna.org> <20070316063614.GB23285@terraluna.org> <20070316092711.GA17329@dvb> Message-ID: <77abe410703160532p15e3f8a1ub92823f379bba31d@mail.gmail.com> 2007/3/16, Devdas Bhagat : > On 15/03/07 23:36 -0700, Steve Traugott wrote: > > Hang on before setting up any web-accessible logging, everyone -- > > someone just now pointed out to me that there might be good reasons > > for not bothering with it, privacy of course, noise ratio of course, > > The important thing here would be to let people know that the channel > talk is being publicly archived. > > If you don't want to do this, and you want to make the contents of a > discussion public, asking the people involved in that discussion for > permission to publish would be polite. I really second this, not generating channel logs takes away much of an advantage for i.e. someone who reads about the irc channel in a year. he'd be able to read up on issues already discussed, while otherwise it'd be lost. also an irc channel is an open medium, anyone could go in an log traffic including sensitive data without the rest knowing so I'd suggest to deal sensitive information either masked or in a query. :) Please let the 'read-only-subscribers' like me have some logs ;) Florian -- 'Sie brauchen sich um Ihre Zukunft keine Gedanken zu machen' From dclark@pobox.com Fri Mar 16 21:46:24 2007 From: dclark@pobox.com (Daniel Clark) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:46:24 -0400 Subject: [Infrastructures] #infrastructures irc channel In-Reply-To: <20070316012457.GA23285@terraluna.org> References: <20070316012457.GA23285@terraluna.org> Message-ID: <5422d5e60703161446j7484cf4dn80f9101f6bb88cd3@mail.gmail.com> On 3/15/07, Steve Traugott wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I've started an #infrastructures channel on irc.infrastructures.org. > You should find me hanging out there from 1900-0700 UTC most days. > Nothing fancy yet, no logging, no chanserv, no info bot. (If someone > gets a chance to set up a logger that dumps its output to someplace > Google will crawl, that would be great.) For #bcfg2 we use IrcLogger2 [1], which deals with the privacy issue by not being searchable by robots (it has its own search engine), and not logging any messages prefixed by "[off]". To get your channel included, you just contact the author. > I've found that there just isn't any other decent place to bounce > ideas off of people if you're in the middle of a project and need a > second opinion on something before you write the next line of code -- > #lopsa is closest, but lacks the mindset we share on this list. Both #puppet and #bcfg2 [2] would probably be decent places to bounce ideas off of people. [1] IRC Logger 2 http://colabti.de/IrcLogger2.html [2] #bcfg2 IRC Channel Info/Search http://bcfg2.org/wiki/IRCChannel -- Daniel Clark # http://dclark.us # http://opensysadmin.com From stevegt@TerraLuna.Org Tue Mar 20 20:29:45 2007 From: stevegt@TerraLuna.Org (Steve Traugott) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:29:45 -0700 Subject: [Infrastructures] #infrastructures irc channel In-Reply-To: <20070316070225.GC5619@dvb> References: <20070316012457.GA23285@terraluna.org> <20070316070225.GC5619@dvb> Message-ID: <20070320202945.GE23285@terraluna.org> --UnaWdueM1EBWVRzC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:32:25PM +0530, Devdas Bhagat wrote: > On 15/03/07 18:24 -0700, Steve Traugott wrote: > > Hi Folks, > >=20 > > I've started an #infrastructures channel on irc.infrastructures.org. >=20 > Any reason not to have it on Freenode instead of openirc? I pointed irc.infrastructures.org at irc.openirc.net, at least for now, because there is overlap between the people who run openirc and the people who run LISA, LOPSA, #lopsa, et al. Seemed like a better community fit, probably fewer bots and miscreants as well. Either a few people misread this thread, or there was already an #infrastructures channel on freenode, because there are a few people hanging out in #infrastructures on freenode right now; none of them are answering pings though... Steve --=20 Stephen G. Traugott (KG6HDQ) -- http://www.stevegt.com Managing Partner, TerraLuna LLC -- http://www.t7a.org V.P. Engineering, CD International Technology -- http://www.cdint.com --UnaWdueM1EBWVRzC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGAEQ58rKIxO1Fc9MRAhm/AKCEatvrPKjHeYl01xUuqmcGJZeYrQCfabMy n3mcXR8KKcmXdzWBbHBY294= =QLR+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UnaWdueM1EBWVRzC-- From andrew@operationaldynamics.com Wed Mar 21 05:42:51 2007 From: andrew@operationaldynamics.com (Andrew Cowie) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:42:51 +1100 Subject: [Infrastructures] Re: #infrastructures irc channel In-Reply-To: <20070316063614.GB23285@terraluna.org> References: <20070316012457.GA23285@terraluna.org> <20070316063614.GB23285@terraluna.org> Message-ID: <1174455771.6236.11.camel@sirius.syd.operationaldynamics.com> --=-D0/MC7sisLUWDuQ+ho2G Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 23:36 -0700, Steve Traugott wrote: > something like "log it for yourself; read up on old things you > missed, and if you find something really juicy, discuss it in a > blog entry or mail message". I'd recommend that. In channels [ =3D=3D communities] that I run, I do happen to have a bot which, as it happens, does indeed log - but not publicly - it's just there so I can catch up with newcomers who turn up while I'm asleep. AfC Sydney --=20 Andrew Frederick Cowie Technology strategy, managing change, establishing procedures, and executing successful upgrades to mission critical business infrastructure. http://www.operationaldynamics.com/ Sydney New York Toronto London --=-D0/MC7sisLUWDuQ+ho2G Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGAMXbLVETDFf2570RArOBAJ460ZzqLlBjKRyXdNLP5zErSD1LrgCfX8/D x2ut6uf2VoaSmX57UNLl3Kc= =D2G9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-D0/MC7sisLUWDuQ+ho2G--